Topic: best civic combo

[Mar_DC2]

settle down bro, i doubted you, i never called you a liar. i totally believe that you have a time slip that says 16.2. but if you ran that run at wendover then i guarante the time's are wrong, if it was at RMR you were probably manually staged and the guy screwed up. the same thing happened to FAC when she ran that 15.1 with a 1.2 60ft, or whatever time that was. 1/4 mile times aren't always 100% accurate. especially if its a BS event like the midnight drags where the times don't matter.

here's why i doubt you: in utah, an LS integra with full interior in good condition will run anywhere between 16.7-16.9 with a good driver, at best. there is no way in hell that an intake, header, and exhaust gave you enough power to drop your times down seven tenths of a second. to do that you would need to add at least 30whp, a head package and tuning will add that much if you're lucky.

another reason is because you say you only did it one time. like the saying goes, if you can't back it up, then it doesn't mean s h i t. FAC ran 15.8's all night and all of a sudden got a 15.1 with a 60' comparable to kevin white or cortney. that one 16.2 run was more than likely a fluke. unless you have more slips with similar times to back it up, then i will doubt you.

no offense man, didn't mean to piss on your cheerio's, but thats the way things work.

and please don't turn this into an argument.

[OverLord]

I agree with btown. I/H/E are good to increase the breating of a stock motor but it will give you small gains compared to a turbo or sc.  I am sure eveyone can FEEL a difference using their butt dyno but a 10-15 HP increase will not take an Integra from 16.9's to a 16.2 it is just impossible. The reason I said go with a turbo is because a turbo for his set up can be had for just a few hundred more than I/H/E.  It all boils down to what he wants from the car. If he just want some bling (which an i/H/E is on stock civics) then by all means go for that. But if he is serious about speed then the turbo is a no contest winner. Twinner you of all people should agree that if you want to go faster and have more power, turbo is the way to go. The only time I have ever heard of a full exhaust(header, cat, cat-back) and an intake made more than 10 whp was in an ITR with TUNING. He spent over $2000 just for the exhaust. Even at that the ITR head has already had some work for better flow. I cant see a D16 making more than 6-10 whp more than stock with all of that listed. If he already had a grand saved, there is no reason not to wait, save some more, and buy a turbo or a B16.  

[utahteg]

All of my times were at RMR and I ran one 16.2, it could be a fluke but I ran about a dozen or so 16.4-16.5's last year with the 60 ft times all being near equal...so I don't think they are screw ups by the track.  I know exactly what happened with FAC, I raced her twice that night after she ran the 15.1.

I wish I had a base line dyno run before I did the I/H/E, my car was making 130 whp with the I/H/E and now with 6 lbs of boost is making 230 whp.  So without a doubt I totally agree with you Corey, the only way to get real power, power that you can feel is going FI.

[PossuMKIV]

I agree with you aswell Corey. Are argument is just opposing that saying "Bolt ons dont do s h i t"
we are just saying.. that they DO, do SOME gain.  And yes they DO help your motor. OF COURSE your not going to feel a dramatic change because your just pretty much running stock.  And everyone in the car world in their right mind knows that Turbo, Nitrous, Supercharger - being that it is force induction is of course going to make a drastic change.  But considering Masta's situation - we are just stating the mere facts that bolt ons do produce some power (notice the word "some") - and because he isn't ready for a Turbo or a SC yet.  Bolt ons are his best bet. Of course he could save his money for something bigger , like you all say - but in the end.. hes going to need bolt ons anyway I.E. exhaust (not an intake).
Our point is merely - saying that "Bolt ons dont do s h i t" is alllll wrong.
Thats it...end of story - no more arguing.  This is getting way on the drastic side.  Its just as simple as that.

[Masta]

  Masta Bows to Possum! Thank you for clearing all that up, no one should have any arguments now about bolt-ons. They help "some" like Possum said. I totally agree that the way to go is FI its just I don't have the freedoms to buy it right now and I'm buying a different car with stock FI in the next year anyway, so I feel no reason to buy FI for a car which will be a daily driver for the next 3 or 4 years when I will have a project car that I will be spending all my money on. But anyone who doesn't have my upcoming opportunity and doesn't have the want or the funds to buy a turbo should go with bolt-ons till they find the need to buy FI.

[OverLord]

Of course they free up SOME power but does anyone want to spend $1000.00 to get 6-10hp? And the worst part is when you decide to go FI and have already spent that $1000.00 that could have gone to your turbo kit.

[Masta]

So what if you've wasted 500 bucks on I/H just try to sell them to some poor soul that can't afford new parts. You should be able to get at least 150-300 bucks back from it... right? But if you have to, you could sell them for like 25 bucks a pop. Thats just what I would do tho.

[Mar_DC2]

its funny, once the admin say's something everyone changes their mind. first it's "bolt on's do a lot and i can feel it!" to "bolt on's only add some power and you can't really feel it anyway..."

either way, thank's for agreeing with me!

[Kanzen]

I dont think anyones changing their mind Btown. The majority of us here have I.E.H. If it didnt make a difference then why even buy it. True they dont make alot of power but for a n/a cars. 10 hp here and 10 hp there and 10 hp down there adds up....

[sunflashx]

I think quite a few Civic/Honda owners have figured out the most cost effective mods.

Gut the b i t c h and take a sawzall/holesaw to the sheet metal and structural supports.  

If your car is SOHC you could probably get the head milled for relatively cheap plus the cost of a new head gasket.  Maybe not if you can't pull the head yourself.  If it's DOHC you'll just fawk your cam timing up and spend all your money on adjustable cam gears and paying someone to degree them.

[1slowCX]

intakes change the sound of cars.....