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Offline surfer74

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Building a Rally car
« on: 11:49AM 06/06/2003 »
I'm working on my 95 Civic to get into amateur rally racing. Two questions.  What is a good set of coil overs for rally?  and what is a good cam for a naturally aspirated stock non-VTEC civic motor?
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #1 on: 03:43PM 06/06/2003 »
about the only cam you can find for that car is Gude, theyre not the best quality, but they get the job done. Tein makes the Type HG coilover thats made for dirt racing.

my suggestion, either get rid of the 1.5L air compressor pump in favor of a real motor, at least a B16A, or buy a subaru.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #2 on: 12:50PM 06/07/2003 »
or junkyard turbo it for about the price of a cam and actually have some low end grunt


your also probably gonna want a real stiff rear sway bar, thats the setup most people i know run... keeps the understeer down.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #3 on: 02:11PM 06/07/2003 »
gude regrind cams are cheap as hell. you can get a new one for around 130-150.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #4 on: 06:22PM 06/07/2003 »
yup that is cheap... lol... maybe they could do a turbo grind  :P  

seriously tho a saab 900 turbo and wastegate, a fuel pressure reg, a cheapo OEM bosch bov, and a powerstroke intercooler cut to size by a radiator shop (stock is 33x 14 tall x 4 deep... huge), can make pretty decent power and would cost well under a grand total.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #5 on: 10:46PM 06/07/2003 »
Surfer, If you are going to buy a suspension you might as well buy the whole kit. I recommend the Tokico spring and damper.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #6 on: 10:52PM 06/07/2003 »
no you definantly need a dirt specific setup, and the tokico damper is not of high enough quality for rally competition...

look into those tiens... i would not recommend the tokico or kyb setups for anybody doing any form of competition, the very bottom of the barrel as far as decent competition shocks are basically koni's and bilsteins for tarmac use, i think they both make special valvings for dirt as well...

a street setup will have you bottoming out and banging around like some kinda joke. honestly tho there is a reason the tokicos and kyb's cost half what a decent setup costs, and its not just better value...

i think there is an SCCA forum, if you search you might find it... on that, i would suspect there would be a SCCA rally forum, where you could ask some people who actually know about dirt setups... although i'd love to try my hand in a dirt machine, i'm a mostly ashphalt guy. :P
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #7 on: 02:17AM 06/08/2003 »
Quote from: pete on 06:22PM 06/07/2003
yup that is cheap... lol... maybe they could do a turbo grind  :P  

seriously tho a saab 900 turbo and wastegate, a fuel pressure reg, a cheapo OEM bosch bov, and a powerstroke intercooler cut to size by a radiator shop (stock is 33x 14 tall x 4 deep... huge), can make pretty decent power and would cost well under a grand total.

hahaha, good luck running a D15B with that kind of set up. the second it above 2,000rpm the connecting rods will be bent to s h i t. the engine in his car is one of the weakest engines honda has released in amercia, aside from the 92-95 CX. you MIGHT be safe with 2psi and timing retarded about 20 degree's.  if you want a cheap turbo set up, i'd swap in a D16Y8 or D16Z6 before you do anything else.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #8 on: 07:45PM 06/08/2003 »
Hey guys thanks! :big_thumbs_up:  I know the engine is pretty weak, but it's just to start with.  It like to build a B20 VTEC monster with a supercharger, but that's not for a few years.  Right now, I just want to tweak what I got and get muddy on the weekends.

Does anybody know if the gauge cluster from a 94 Del Sol will fit in the 95 Civic dash?  they look the same sitting behind them, but are there any wiring differences?
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #9 on: 11:06PM 06/08/2003 »
you can make it fit, but i dont think the wiring is the same. if you want a tach the cluster's from EX's and Si's are direct plug 'n' play. or you can spend mega $$$ on one of those monster tachs.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #10 on: 11:13PM 06/08/2003 »
mega $$$ would be a motec or stacks, pi datalogger setup... those little autometer tachs are pretty cheap... pointless tho not like you need it to keep reign on your massive 110 horse.

i can get you a d16y8 crank and rods veeeery cheap if you would like... think less then they are even worth as a core charge. IM me... i'm just in sugerhouse
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #11 on: 03:06AM 06/09/2003 »
i dont think the Y8 crank fits the D15B block. even if you tried to stroke the D15 to a 1.6L using those parts i think the D15 block has a 3-4mm shorter deck height than the Y8. might as well buy the whole Y8 swap for 800 and save the time of rebuilding the D15 and still having weaker sleeves and an inferior head.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #12 on: 09:13AM 06/09/2003 »
yeah its just this particular y8 that i can get for my time and expenses but no other cost (ie gimme 20 bucks to drive out and pick it up type thing) the dumb a s s kid was getting a motor swap and so he pulled the pill out of his dry nitrous setup and ran a bottle shot thru it...

it has no compression but the bottom end is ok, so either he cracked a piston, melted a valve, or cracked the block... in any case there are no rattles so the crank and rods are fine, the head is also ok i'm assuming, but i wouldn't know till i cracked it open.

the y8 swap could be done for a lot less then 800 depending on what i find inside this motor, but i was hoping the d15 and d16 shared parts... buuuut doesn't sound like it. like i said i would give him this motor, dissassembled so he knows what it needs for just my time to go get it and investigate.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #13 on: 07:28PM 06/09/2003 »
I can't stand those megatachs.  If you need a tach the size of a big screen, you got bigger problems to address.  I'm going for subtlety, all go no show type thing.  I'll have to troll the salvage yards for an EX or Si cluster.

I appreciate the offer on the motor, but I don't think I'm ready for a swap yet.  I grew up on GMs, so getting into my Honda is a learning experience.  I do like the ease of access to the plugs though! :hehheh:  I hated how GM would always hide one plug way the F... back against the firewall under the manifold so you need 3 pivot connectors and a 2 foot extension to get it out.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #14 on: 07:41PM 06/09/2003 »
"I hated how GM would always hide one plug way the F... back against the firewall under the manifold so you need 3 pivot connectors and a 2 foot extension to get it out."


just pull the motor... roflmao jk...

thats ghey tho.. i've got a chevy van i use for a tow vehicle, one with the motor half in the cab type thing and i don't even wanna know what doing serious work on that would entail... when you open the "hood" (6 inch metal flap) and get a flashlight, you can *almost* make out the intake manifold abuot 4 feet back there
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #15 on: 07:46PM 06/09/2003 »
Quote from: pete on 07:41PM 06/09/2003
i've got a chevy van i use for a tow vehicle

its the batmobile getaway car after our attack on WC lol, you had so many d a m n tires in the back, and i got to fly around with the best of them considering i was using them as a chair.... how safe hahaha
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #16 on: 07:48PM 06/09/2003 »
Yeah I remember working on my 77 chevy truck, there is always something just a little out of reach, or tuck way in the back.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #17 on: 07:55PM 06/09/2003 »
i had a look under that hood a while back, looks like a d a m n cave, i dont know how you would get any work done easily on that thing.
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #18 on: 08:19PM 06/09/2003 »
the easiest GM to work on was my 76 nova w/ an inline six.  You could get in the engine compartment w/ the motor and stand w/ your feet on the ground and work on it.

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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #19 on: 10:18PM 06/09/2003 »
my buddy has an 8 second turbo alchohol nova :P
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #20 on: 10:21PM 06/09/2003 »
yeah well my daddy can fly a plane! so there! haha jk what does a nova look like?
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Re:Building a Rally car
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Re:Building a Rally car
« Reply #22 on: 07:06PM 06/10/2003 »
A nova looks like a fat a s s lead sled.  But with the right motor they fly.
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