Author Topic: Civic swap q's (Read 2325 times)

Damon · « **on:** 11:54AM 04/13/2004 »

2000 Civic EX

What swap would be the best option, considering all options and what each swap involves regarding other components, transmission, etc.? What are the best options while keeping in mind possibly doing a turbo with it as well?

1slowCX · « **Reply #1 on:** 12:01PM 04/13/2004 »

do a b18c1 they love the boost. I'm glad that I got a b18 instead of the b16, yes they are more money, but its just to common you see those b16 swapped coupes runnin mid to high 16's... I say b18 for shizzle...

Mar_DC2 · « **Reply #2 on:** 03:28PM 04/13/2004 »

as far as ease of swap, B16 is probably the easiest, everything you need comes right from the 99-00 Si, they also love boost. B18C1 you need to mix and match mounts, but it will give you more torque and make for a nicer daily driver. with any B-series swap you're going to need the transmission, mounts, axles, and ECU.

i dunno if you considered it, but since you already have an EX, you could just turbo the D16Y8, they LOVE boost and for about $1,200 or less you would beat the s h i t out of mostly any swapped civic you'll come across. you already have a good engine and transmission, all you would have to do is throw a turbo on there.

Mar_DC2 · « **Reply #3 on:** 03:30PM 04/13/2004 »

BTW if you decide to swap, i might consider buying your D16 swap, depending on the mileage.

Damon · « **Reply #4 on:** 03:34PM 04/13/2004 »

That'd be cool but, I also would be nice to compete with more than just Civics too. What would be the HP difference between my stock motor with a turbo vs. a B18 with a turbo?

MitzuRida · « **Reply #5 on:** 05:13PM 04/13/2004 »

LS VTEC, lol but in all seriousness use the crv block with b16 head and then you can use whatever pistons ect you want cuz the crv block is great for turbos... but thats just my 2 sense agree with btown b16 will be the easiest and would cost probably a grand or more less then the b18

1slowCX · « **Reply #6 on:** 05:55PM 04/13/2004 »

On the sohc boost you would be slower than the dohc boost... obviously... but depending on what you do to the sohc you can be much much faster with lower cost. There is that one civic coupe with nonvtec motor that is in the 12's and thats a sohc... you can definately make a sohc fast... for cheaper... i'd say if you don't want to spend the money.. do just a nice turbo kit... build it a little you'll be running way faster then me... and other swapped civics, I think with a basic turbo on your car running stock internals, about 8psi you'd be kickin the shizzle outta b16 civics, i just don't want to say that you'll beat me... lol

btown correct me if im wrong you are much more knowledgable then me... fo shizzle.

Mar_DC2 · « **Reply #7 on:** 07:09PM 04/13/2004 »

Quote from: mitzurida on 05:13PM 04/13/2004

cuz the crv block is great for turbos...

the B20 blocks actually aren't all that great because they have weaker sleeves due to the larger bore. They're okay for a B20 VTEC, but you'd be much better off with another motor.

as far as power differences between SOHC turbo and DOHC turbo, with a bolt on kit you can pull about 180-200whp on an SOHC, but the torque is also around 175ft/lb compared to NA B-series with 125ft/lb. if you get it tuned and add some injectors, FMIC, intake manifold, boost controller, etc... you can easilly get around 250.

with a B16 or B18C1 you'll easilly get 260-280 with a kit like maxrev or drag, with a bolt on kit like GReddy you'll get around 240. you can also do LS turbo, but that will cost about as much as the B16 and will make less power.

utahteg · « **Reply #8 on:** 07:59AM 04/14/2004 »

You can make a lot of power with the LS block and you have more low end torque. The teg is at 6 lbs of boost and is making about 230 whp and 230 ft-lb of torque. Hopefully by months end it will be above 260 whp.
Btown is right, it is cheaper to boost a b16. There are a lot of options, the main thing is to decided what you want the car to do, what peak hp you are aiming to get and go from there.

OverLord · « **Reply #9 on:** 08:00AM 04/15/2004 »

For cost alone I would buy a B18b and piece together a turbo kit. Build it all drop it in and tune it. Your civic would rock with that and it wouldn't be very much $$$

Twinner are you guys building a block or what?

Mar_DC2 · « **Reply #10 on:** 11:32AM 04/15/2004 »

Quote from: OverLord on 08:00AM 04/15/2004

For cost alone I would buy a B18b and piece together a turbo kit. Build it all drop it in and tune it. Your civic would rock with that and it wouldn't be very much $$$

Twinner are you guys building a block or what?

actually the LS swap costs about just as much as a B16 swap.

here's some info off www.hmotorsonline.com

B16A 92-95 (SiR-II) Complete Change Over

Price: $ 2250.00 Plus shipping and handling
Availability: In stock and ready to go

- Motor
- Hydraulic Tranny (S21, Y21)
- ECU (P30)
- Axles with Half Shaft
- Shift Linkage
- Stock Motor Mounts *
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
- Comes With All Sensors Needed
- LSD Tranny (Optional +$300)

B18B 94-01 (LS) Complete Change Over

Price: $ 2200.00 Plus shipping and handling.
Availability: In stock and ready to go.

- Motor
- Hydraulic Tranny (Y80, S80)
- ECU (P75)
- Axles
- Shift Linkage
- Stock Motor Mounts *
- Alternator
- Starter
- Clutch
- Flywheel
- Intake Manifold
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Engine Harness
- Comes With All Sensors Needed

Motors average 35,000 miles and come with a 100% start up warranty. All Sensors are guaranteed not broken and in working condition!

for the price, people will argue that the LS is faster in a car of the same weight because of the torque (even though i beat FAC in my Si plenty of times

) but the B16 will respond much better to forced induction.

utahteg · « **Reply #11 on:** 11:35AM 04/15/2004 »

I have some larger injectors, boost controller, fuel pump, and some accessories setting at home. We're looking bumping the boost up a few pounds. I'll have to wait to build a block...hopefully by next summer.

OverLord · « **Reply #12 on:** 09:40AM 04/16/2004 »

Quote from: BtownCivic on 11:32AM 04/15/2004

actually the LS swap costs about just as much as a B16 swap.

for the price, people will argue that the LS is faster in a car of the same weight because of the torque (even though i beat FAC in my Si plenty of times ) but the B16 will respond much better to forced induction.

I know you can get them much cheaper than that. On the other hand I know you can get B16 swaps cheap as well. If you shop around you can find great deals.

PS I am sure you are a better driver than FAC too. The motor isnt much the factor in an Si vs LS. The Si has much shorter gearing and the Si is a little lighter. The B18b motor is a great performer and if bolted to a decent tranny it would be just as effective as the B16.

If price wasn't a factor I would get a b18c1 and boost that. With the block girdle, oil squirters, and the added displacement over the b16 the b18c would be the best choice for power and reliability.

1slowCX · « **Reply #13 on:** 05:52PM 04/16/2004 »

or for even cheaper boost the sohc that you have.....

OverLord · « **Reply #14 on:** 11:26PM 04/16/2004 »

That is turning out to be the best option as far as cost is concerned.

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